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How to reform public services by liberating local teams to do the right thing

A lot of people, including the national political parties, are talking about public service reform. 

But many of the solutions they propose just won’t work. Forcing through efficiency measures, setting targets, implementing digital solutions, ‘engaging with’ the private or charity sectors. All this has all been tried for years now. And services have become even more dysfunctional, not less.

As we discovered in this session on 2nd May 2024, with systems change expert John Mortimer, better solutions are available. In several places, councils have had a go at operating very differently. They set up strengths-based locality working, with multi-agency teams, able to operate close to people in their community, with a simple instruction to discover what individual people’s circumstances actually were, and then to take action, and do the right thing, with the goal wherever possible of helping people to help themselves.

In every case, costs reduced, demand fell, and value was multiplied. 

So, we have a pretty good idea of what needs to be done, and the good news is that it doesn’t take significant resources to do it. But, as the real-life examples shared in the webinar demonstrated, it does require an alternative ‘local by default’ approach and courageous public sector leaders who are willing to take a deep fresh look at what is really going on, and establish a different operating method for their teams.

You can view a recording of the webinar by clicking on the photo below:

The presentation drew on material which first appeared in the 2014 Locality/Vanguard report:

Here is a full set of slides to accompany the webinar - the slides set out the evidence, as well as the practice and policy implications:

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John Mortimer is a Systems Thinker at Impro Consulting. He is an expert in public sector redesign, reducing failure demand, enabling those at the front-line to work together, in service of what most matters to people. He can be contacted at: john.mortimer@improconsult.co.uk

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Poverty Truth Commissions

Poverty Truth Commissions bring people with direct experience of poverty into the same room as local decision makers. They do so over a sustained period, to build mutual understanding and trust, and find better ways to tackle poverty.  In this event we explored what we can learn from this. 

Martin Johnstone, co-Director of the Poverty Truth Network, introduced the discussion. He shared a little of his own story - he has spent a great deal of time alongside people experiencing poverty, and feels he has gained much wisdom and knowledge from them. He has also spent time with people in positions of authority, and discovered that they can display compassion. The need, he said, is to bring the two worlds together, and this is what he sought to do, when setting up the first Poverty Truth Commission in Glasgow in 2009.

The way it works is that 12-15 Community Commissioners – all ‘experts by experience’ - spend time together, preparing to tell their stories, and subsequently come together with a group of 12-15 Civic and Business Commissioners, building relationships of trust so that difficult conversations can emerge. They may consider service design, policy changes – any areas where the group has an ability to act and make a difference. It is a model of ‘spectacular simplicity’ said Martin, ‘not them and us - just a bigger us’.  To date, 30 different Commissions have been established across the UK.

We also heard from two people who took part in a Poverty Truth Commission in Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole. Carrie-Anne Mizen (Community Commissioner) explained that while a few Community Commissioners dropped out, others stuck with it, and for them it was a way to build confidence - a chance to be heard and make a difference.  Mel Hughes (Civic Commissioner) works at the local University, and was impressed by the method – in this case the initiative was led by those experiencing poverty: ‘we were invited into their world’, she said. The Business and Civic Commissioners needed to learn to hold themselves back – restraining themselves from acting as rescuers, avoiding taking over and problem-solving.  They needed to learn to listen. And to discover they could connect as people, not according to title or rank. They only started to discuss what they were going to do together after nine months had passed.

In a Q&A session that followed, we learnt more about the model:

  • All-in all it’s a three-year programme.  The initial stages are critical. Typically, six months to decide to proceed, six months to assemble the community commissioners.  The stage of working just with the community commissioners takes around six months and it doesn’t work to short-circuit that.

  • It needs the equivalent of one full-time facilitator, ideally split between three people, with different tasks including administration of the groups, helping the civic commissioners peel away their ‘protective layers’, encouraging good relationships to flourish.

  • It’s best to avoid prescriptive definitions of poverty. ‘If you experience it, you don’t need a definition.’

  • Tangible changes do emerge – it is always best to under-promise and over deliver.

In the breakouts and discussion that followed, we considered: Could this way of working be applied more widely?  And if so, what would need to change?

  • There isn’t a ‘manual’ for how Poverty Truth Commissions should operate. They draw on the shared wisdom of the earlier Commissions, and the relational skills of people like Martin.

  • This methodology is ‘a beautiful practice’, one person said. It should not get ‘stuck in a poverty silo’, it should become the pattern for how we live and relate to each other in our communities. Estrangement runs so deep in our society – this is deeply problematic, and we need practices like this to become widespread and normalised.

  • The Poverty Truth Commissions point us in a direction away from professionalised services which seek to deliver short term fixes. ‘Listen, and keep listening.’ Slowing down is the right thing to do. Professionals resist giving time to exercises like this. But there is a transformative experience, when people realise that they don’t need to be endlessly busy.

  • Building community, across social divides, is more likely to achieve progress than setting out to change the world, which can only lead to frustration and disappointment. Being in company, crying and laughing together, is a worthwhile outcome in itself. But you also need to keep the conversation honest -  ‘this is all very well, but there’s still no milk in the fridge’.

  • We need to hold both sides of the coin: an asset-based community development approach on the one side, and a recognition that injustice is structural, and requires a wider systems change, on the other.

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Niall Cooper, from Church Action on Poverty, responded to the discussion with this poem:

Poverty Truth: A Better Way

Nothing About us Without us is for us

Bringing worlds together

Gaining wisdom, friendship, insight from being alongside

Great compassion, wisdom and intellect amongst civic leaders

Beyond stereotypes of suits and scroungers

If you want to go far, go together

Listening beyond words

Experts through experience

Confident in your own story

Building trust

New perspectives

Owned locally

Stepping into our territory: Owning the space

Looking like our local community

 Painting a fuller picture of the struggle against poverty

 Bowled over by brilliance, the treasure of people

 Not problems to be fixed

 Sharing the truth

Carrie and Mel

A chance to be heard, to really make a difference

Building friendships

Sharing stories: My story really matters

Something needs to change: This shouldn’t happen

Humanising the process

Housing and home

Empowered communities

Nothing About us without us is for us

Powerfully facilitated

Planned randomness

How much it takes to make it happen…

Amazing tools and methods. Seamless

Check ins, lifebuoys, talking to the person next to you

Crying and laughing together

Check outs

Happy, motivated, confused, my brain is a mush

Honest

Having people on your side, on the end of a phone

Even more scary for civic leaders

Sitting round with cups of tea, playing games

Peeling down layers of protection

Connecting as people, relationships first

Beyond unequal partnerships

Checking in between meetings,

Sharing coffee, one to one

Stopping problem solving and rescuing….

Slowing down. Just.  Listening.

Sometimes things are so urgent… you can’t afford to do them quickly

Nothing About us without us is for us

Being invited into someone else’s space

Putting people first

No short circuiting

No take over

No short term fixes

Under promise and over deliver

Change starts to happen as soon as you ask the first question

Changes for individuals

Changes in minds

Changes in organisations, in policies, in practice

Commissioners getting the credit

Embedding the impact

Deep culture change

Participatory democracy in practice

Building a network

Building a movement

Building a community of people… to change the world

Nothing About us without us is for us

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